In the second episode of Theory Buzz Podcast, hosts Bassam Haddad and Libby Anker speak with Mahmood Mamdani on his recent book Neither Settler Nor Native: The Making and Unmaking of Permanent Minorities (Harvard University Press, 2020). The conversation features such topics as state-building through the function of the national and the colonial, how such processes categorized different populations, and how such categorizations created pretexts for state violence and control.